Speaker 1:
Coming up on this episode of the Doctor’s Farmacy.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
If you study the research in neuroscience, mental rehearsal installs neurological hardware in your brain to look like you already did it.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Welcome to the Doctor’s Farmacy, I’m Dr. Mark Hyman. That’s Farmacy with an F. A place where conversations matter. And if you’ve ever wanted to figure out why you’re miserable, why you’re suffering, how your mind drives you crazy, and how to get free spiritually, emotionally, physically, and heal your body using your mind, well, you better listen up because we have one of the world’s experts on the science of how to use your mind to create happiness and to heal your body. And that’s Dr. Joe Dispenza, who I’ve met many years ago, we were just chatting about that. At Omega Institute, and his work has just exploded since then. He’s focusing mostly on the intersection of neuroscience, epigenetics, quantum physics, which sounds like a bunch of very intense stuff. But it’s really deep science around how we heal, and how our bodies work. Around spontaneous remissions. And he teaches people around the world to heal their bodies using their minds and improve their consciousness and make real changes. He’s partner with scientists and universities all over the world to perform research on the effects of meditation, and how that affects the brain and the body.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
He’s done advanced retreats around the world. And doing these retreats, he’s collected data, it’s not just, “Oh, well, your mind can heal your body that sounds fun and cool.” It’s like hard science. And he’s done 8000 brain scans and 4000 heart rate variability measurements, which are a measure of your sort of psycho emotional, spiritual well-being in the sense, an indirect measurement and correlate the effects that sustained elevations in your mood, and emotions and your ability to regulate yourself, how they impact your heart and brain function, your immune system, and your mind body health. And he studied the effects on gene expression, on protein regulation, on immune response, changes in your brain chemistry, your telomeres, which determine your aging, and all kinds of variations in your molecular metabolic pathway. So it’s pretty cool stuff. He’s written a number of books, I encourage you to check them all out. He’s a researcher, lecturer, a corporate consultant, and he’s just got such a practical approach to dealing with human suffering, both mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual. So, welcome, Joe.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Oh, Mark, thank you so much for the introduction. I really appreciate it. I’m so happy to be with you again.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Of course. It was fun to be with people who are thinking about how do we make things better? How do we make things better for individuals, for society? And you’re doing that in spades. As a functional medicine doctor, I started to see a lot of changes in people’s mood and behavior and attitude, and cognition by fixing their body. And I wrote this book called The UltraMind Solution about 12 years ago about how the body affects the mind. No one had really been talking about it that time. Mostly we’re talking about the mind body effect. And they’re both really important. And I think functional medicine does a good job about healing the body, which can help the brain function better. I always say it’s a lot easier to get enlightened if you don’t have mercury poisoning, your thyroids working, you’re not B12 deficient and your microbiome is healthy, right? It’s a lot easier than struggling through, “All of you can…” I think it’s important you enlighten people who aren’t that healthy, but it’s easier.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
But your work is really focused on dissecting and going deep into the understanding of how the brain and the mind, which are not the same thing can be a powerful tool for transforming your life at every level, your relationship to yourself, your relationship to others, and often really serious chronic illnesses that can be transformed by understanding the power of the mind. And we are in this society so focused on the external world. We’ve been exploring outer space. And we just saw Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos go into outer space, we see Elon Musk go into Mars and all these great exploration. We’ve been really good at understanding the outer world, but we haven’t really been adventures in our inner landscapes. On inner space. And you have been one of the aeronauts the inner space astronauts, so to speak. That it makes fun of the far reaches of our consciousness, and our ability to really become fully human ultimately. And it’s just such a beautiful thing. And I think you’ve learned so much about it, and I want to get deep into it in this conversation.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
So, let’s start by talking about how you first became sort of interested in this whole idea of spontaneous remissions, which for those who don’t know what it is, means you have some incurable disease and it goes away. And it’s not because you got a medical treatment, it’s because something happened that shifted the course of the disease that was most likely coming from your own consciousness. So, talk about how you got into that and why you started to study it.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Well, I think… First of all, thank you again, I think for the most part, I’ve always been a curious person, and I’m always interested in human potential. And at one point, we all read really cool information about mystics and saints and avatars. And for me, that’s all good philosophy until you have your own moment. And I was in a [inaudible 00:05:38] and I got run over by a truck and I broke six vertebrae in my spine, and I had to make a decision at that time in my life. Because the diagnosis wasn’t very good, and neither was the prognosis. And I had to decide if I was going to spend the rest of my life on addictive medications, and with surgical rods in my spine, or if I was going to see if the mind could actually heal the body. And so that was my wake up call in 1986. And so I just… I was at the point where I just had to make a decision to see if it was actually the truth, if all of this that I learned was the truth, let’s apply it.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so I was lucky enough to have a dramatic change in my own personal health. And then I thought, “God yeah, if it worked on me, as it worked on other people.” So I started looking into people that had been treating conventionally or unconventionally, and with a certain diagnosis, and their condition was staying the same, getting worse, and all of a sudden, it got better. And I just wanted to look at what the cause was, that was producing that effect. And so I interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people that had gone through the process. And one of the most fundamental elements that they all had in common, there were a lot of things that had to do with their mind. And some people had specific diets and specific regimes, some people use certain conventional, non conventional protocols, but the commonality primarily was about how the mind was really influencing the body. And they began to really take a closer look at how they were thinking on a daily basis, how they were acting on a regular basis, and looking at how they feel on a moment to moment basis.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And how you think and how you act and how you feel is your personality and your personality has a very direct relationship with your personal reality. Which means if you want to change your personal reality, if you want to change something about your life, you got to change. And so the process of change then, becomes the fundamental process of going from some person that’s familiar, unknown to you, and stepping out and beginning to make different choices and to begin thinking differently, and being to behave differently and speak differently and feel differently. And if you start thinking, acting, and feeling differently, our research shows without a doubt, you’re going to have dramatic changes in your biology. And if you do it enough times, you’re going to become someone else. And the disease then all of a sudden exists in the old personality and not the new personality.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow!
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And then you ask the person, where’s the cancer? Where’s the rheumatoid arthritis? Where’s the immune mediated condition? It’s in the old person, I’m not that person any longer. And so when we started seeing these changes taking place in people that had their own personal remissions, I thought, “Well, is that teachable? And what is the science behind teaching it can we teach people how to begin to change their thoughts? And is there a neuroscience to support it?” And there’s tons. And if you begin to behave differently, can you create neural pathways that begin to become habituated over time? And if you stop feeling suffering, and you stop feeling pain, you stop feeling guilt, and you start feeling elevated emotions, like joy, or inspiration or gratitude, not just in a momentary state, like positive thinking, but to be able to self regulate and maintain that, if we could teach that, could we produce the same effects in people? So, I think this is a time in history Mark, where it’s not enough to know, it’s a time in history to know how.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow!
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so all that philosophy is all great dinner conversation. But when you’re given a diagnosis, now you got to step out of the bleachers, and you got to get on the playing field, and you got to start making different choices. And the hardest part about change is not making the same choice as you did the day before. And the moment you decide to make a different choice, whether you like it or not, you’re going to feel uncomfortable. You’re going to feel unfamiliar, you’re not going to be able to predict what’s going to happen. There’s going to be some uncertainty because you’re leaving the known familiar yourself. And so how does the person become the person they are? And why do they keep their health condition the same? And well, most people, your brain is a record of the past. It’s an artifact of everything you’ve learned and experienced to this moment.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So most people wake up in the morning, if you think that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are just memories that are etched in their brain, that are connected to certain people and objects and certain things at certain times and places. And the moment they start thinking about their problems, they’re thinking in the past. Now, because every one of those problems has an emotion associated with them, the moment they start feeling unhappy or feeling sad, now their body is in the past, because thoughts are the language of the brain, and feelings are the language of the body. And how we think and how we feel creates our state of being. Now, the problem is, is that the person thinks, so the problem feels the emotion, and that is a thought and a feeling. That’s an image and an emotion, it’s a stimulus and response. And that starts the conditioning process to get the body emotionally conditioned into the past. Now, here’s the crazy part about it.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yes.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
The familiar past, emotionally is producing dramatic effects on the body because the body is so objective, that it does not know the difference between the real life experience that’s creating that emotion, and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought or memory alone. The body’s believing it’s living in the same past experience, seven days a week, 365 days a year. And the problem with that is, is that the environment signals the gene, that’s epigenetics. And the end product of an experience in the environment, that’s an emotion. So the person is keeping the same gene regulated, because the body’s believing in something in the same environmental condition. So, getting that person to step outside of that familiar unknown territory into the unknown, where there is uncertainty and have them be comfortable there, and begin to think about how they are going to think. And how they are-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Can you give up their identity of who they are, what defines them, their past, their stories, their beliefs? You’re coming after it, you’re going for the juggler in our old patterns and our old ways of being that keep us not well and keep us unhappy and sick.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Turns out that’s 95% of who we are. So, if we don’t address those unconscious programs, you can… And you’re an integrative physician, you understand this, you could have the healthiest, ketogenic vegan, intermittent fasting, enzymes, food combining.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And you’re living in fear.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah, I have seen this.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
If you’re living in pain, the cell is not in a state to actually absorb anything, it’s in a state of emergency. In an emergency, there’s no growth and repair. So-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
I treat patients like that, who do everything perfectly, and they’re still sick, and I’ve seen people who don’t give a crap about their health, but they have the best attitude, and they’re fine.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Because the body’s believing it’s in a different environment and growth and repair is what does it. So then we said, “Okay, let’s see if we can demystify the process. So, the concept, the word meditation, literally means to become familiar with, if you look at the symbolism of it, and you look it up it’s familiarization. So, you sit down and you say, “Okay, I don’t want to be unhappy. I don’t want to be angry. I don’t want to talk trash about people, I don’t want to complain, I don’t want to blame. I don’t want to make excuses. I don’t want to feel lack. I don’t want to have an attitude that’s telling me I can’t, it’s too hard.” That’s the old identity, right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So the moment you start becoming conscious of those unconscious thoughts, the moment you become aware of your automatic habits and behaviors, the moment you can notice that this is actually guilt that you’re feeling, or sadness or pain, the moment you can become conscious and familiar with those states of mind and body. If you keep becoming familiar with it, if you keep becoming conscious of it, you won’t go unconscious. So sitting on a meditation to Know thyself, most people, all of a sudden, here comes the barrage of thoughts, here comes the propensities and habits. And here comes the emotions. The body’s saying, “You normally complain at this time, what are you doing sitting with your eyes closed? Let’s think of a reason why you can complain.” And the body starts influencing the mind.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So, if you break it down for a person to understand, how many times do we have to forget until we start remembering and keep remembering and stop forgetting. That’s the process of change. So, then you put a person in a meditation and they hear that voice, they hear that chatter, they want to get up and go to the bathroom, they want to check their cell phone, they want to feel angry, and instead of getting up and saying, “I can’t meditate…” See, they’re coming to the end of the known. So they want to go back to what’s known right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Hmm.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
If you teach the person what to do, and you show them that on the other side of that is freedom. On the other side of that is joy, you got to become so conscious, and it takes a lot of awareness. It takes a lot of energy to sit with yourself long enough to disentangle from those programs. Now, we now know that it’s a formula, that if you follow a formula, you will actually start pruning circuitry, you’ll stop the conditioning process and move the body out of the past and it starts liberating energy. And that’s energy to heal with, that’s energy to create a new life, that’s energy to digest again. The body’s no longer living in survival, living in emergency. And the majority of people’s emotions then tend to be derived from the hormones of stress.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so that we started realizing that the arousal of the stress hormones, that the rush of the chemistry is actually tapping the body’s resources, and the stronger the emotions we feel towards any problem or person in our life, the more we pay attention to them. And if where you place your attention is where you place your energy, then you’re giving your power away to that person or problem. And if a person can learn to sit in the fire, and say, “It’s not my boss, it’s not my ex, it’s not my job, it’s not the pandemic, it’s me, that this emotion isn’t serving me because this emotion is the exact emotion that’s pushing the genetic buttons that’s creating disease.” Okay. If I can keep practicing lowering the volume to that emotion, I’ll keep taking my attention off that person or problem and in a sense, the body starts moving back into the present moment, it starts getting relaxed in the unknown.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So we started teaching people the process, and by a person overcoming their past, not the trauma, just the emotion, they just have to work on breaking that conditioning process, because if you keep doing it over and over again, a habit is when the body becomes the mind. Now, the servant, now the body is influencing the mind. So, I teach a person then how to break that conditioning process. The body starts moving into the present moment, it’s no longer on the same environmental condition. And then all of a sudden, we start to see some pretty dramatic changes in people’s health.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah. It’s pretty remarkable what you’re talking about, is helping people understand that the voice in their head is not them.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
It’s a progress.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Who is it that’s actually aware that you have a voice in your head?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
That the person [inaudible 00:17:11].
Dr. Mark Hyman:
They call that witness consciousness, or non judgmental awareness, or whatever they call it.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Mindfulness.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Mindfulness.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yes.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And honestly Joe, it’s scary in there. Your lower self has literally hijacked the road trip. And for me, I’m constantly in relationship to my lower self, trying to see what it’s saying, trying to shift the dialogue and flip it so that I’m not constantly repeating these same negative thought patterns that are causing me unhappiness, or suffering, or disease, or pain, or whatever it is. And I’ve been working on this for a long time, and I don’t find it easy, I find it challenging. It’s like four in the morning, my mind just kicks up about my ex wife, or… And I’m pretty chill most of the time. I’m like, “God, it’s so deep in this wiring and programming.” And your work really helps people with a methodology to deal with that. Right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And what happens in the work that you’ve done is so tremendous, is that not only do you see the changes in people’s lives, but you’re seeing changes in their biology, which speak to the underlying physiology of joy, happiness, freedom, right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
That’s a very new thing. You’re familiar I’m sure with my friend Daniel Goleman, and his partner Davidson, Richie Davidson, who wrote Altered Traits, about studying these Olympic meditators who’ve been in cave for nine years meditating all the time, and their brains look totally different. And you’re seeing this not in nine years of being in a cave, but after seven days, right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. God, if you were to ask me, Mark, a year ago, or two years ago, if I would think in my lifetime that I would be seeing what we’re seeing in our measurements, I’d probably say, wow, probably not. But it’s pretty ambitious because sometimes we see such levels of order in our community’s brains when they apply that formula, that we just found the articles that said that the mathematical probability of this type of coherence happening in the brain is statistically impossible. And if it occurred, it would occur as a momentary phenomena that’s random. And our collective groups of people are sustaining these states for extended periods of time. So, we can see dramatic changes in people’s brain circuitry. But not only their circuitry, but this thing called coherence. And coherence is order, it’s rhythm. So, the antithesis is if you’re living in stress, and you’re living in survival, you feel like you can’t control something. You feel like you can’t predict thing, and you have the perception that something’s getting worse.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And the arousal of those stress hormones causes you to shift your attention from one person to another problem to another thing to another place. And every one of those elements has a neurological network in the brain. So, the arousal in the brain is saying there’s an emergency, try to control everything, try to predict everything, prepare for the worst. And you start firing all these circuits individually. You shift your attention to your boss, your co workers, or whatever, and you start causing the brain to fire very incoherently. And when the brain is in coherence, we’re in coherence. And when the brain isn’t working right, we’re not working right. So then the arousal causes us to narrow our focus on the material world as our senses become heightened and we focus on everything that’s physical and material, and we start over focusing, that’s what stress does.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So we thought, what if we taught people to do the opposite, instead of narrowing their focus on whatever is material or known to them, let’s have them open their focus and broaden their focus, and put their attention on nothing physical and put it on nothing, on space, on energy.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah/
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And if we can create what’s called a divergent focus, is it possible that the brain will begin to fire more coherently, and all of a sudden, we started seeing the front of the brain talk on the back of the brain and synchronizing areas together and what sinks in the brain links in the brain, all of a sudden, you see the person starting to feel more whole. You keep doing that, more coherence creates more energy. The waves start standing, and they start building on each other. And when that happens, there’s an arousal that ultimately takes place in the brain, but the arousal is not fear, the arousal is not pain, or aggression, and the arousal is not as anger, your arousal is ecstasy, the arousal is bliss, the arousal is love.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Sounds pretty good.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And the person-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Where do I sign up?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
The cool part of that is that, when that occurs, the stimulation that’s being created, and we see these high gamma patterns that are off the scale. The arousal that’s taking place is not taking place from anything out there in the environment, it’s not taking place from the sports car, the wardrobe, or the movie, or the cell phone, it’s happening inside the person. And all of a sudden, that’s a new feeling. I’ve never had that feeling before and they start feeling connected. The side effect of that is even greater levels of order in the brain, and all of a sudden the heart gets very turned on, it gets very signaled, and the person is moving into an elevated state. And that kind of combination of energy between the heart and the brain causes the person to become creative, not a little creative. But really seeing possibilities to their conscious of things they were never conscious before. And that’s a greater level of awareness. And that’s a greater level of energy.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so people all of a sudden start seeing synchronicities, that start taking place in their life, because they have a coherent brain and a coherent heart, and you got a Wi-Fi signal, and you feel connected to something you don’t feel separate. Stress causes us to feel separation and lack. And this feeling makes you feel whole, and all of a sudden, all the things that you wanted because you’re in lack, you no longer want, because you feel like you have them. And that’s the kind of place where you can relax more into the present moment and enjoy the sunset, and enjoy the meal, and enjoy the conversation and enjoy the connection. Because your presence… And I say that that’s a skill. So-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
[crosstalk 00:23:28] It is, really. And a whole society is geared to make us not present. I mean, the phones that we have are just these distraction animals. I think it’s hard for us to come back to ourselves. And I remember, I’m old enough to remember when we didn’t have cell phones, we didn’t have computers, we didn’t have anything. So, postcards and a landline.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And I remember, the quality of my experience was quite different. And the quality of my inner joy was much higher. And I’m sort of inspired by what you’re saying. And I decided actually last week that I’m going to go for a month into a cabin somewhere where I’m going to have food delivered not see another human and go into a retreat, and meditate and be and have no phone, no computer, no books, am not even going to take your books, Joe. I’m going to take a pen and paper so I can write. But that’s it. And I’ll just be in an interesting experiment to see what it feels like to just be with no distraction and to let all that settle and begin to get into the space of coherence. Because I’ve noticed that for myself, and I’m sure like everybody else, that the mind is a hard monkey to tame. And it takes us down pathways of beliefs and ideas and things that take us away from a vibrant, full, joyous, happy life.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And what’s great about your work is it’s not just theoretical, and yes, you’ve got all the science behind it and you’re really mapping out the changes that structurally happen in our bodies, but you talk about these four elements of healing your body with your mind, and how we can rewire our brain by changing our thoughts. So it sort of implies that we have the capacity to match our thoughts, which a lot of us don’t agree to. But can you take us through what those four-
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Well, first of all, I want to respond to that because-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Okay, okay.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
… because a lot of people don’t know what to do when they have that thought. They have no formula that scientific and practical that if they can practice enough times, if nerve cells that fire together, wire together, the nerve cells that no longer fire together, no longer wire together. And if you stick with it, and we can tell you this, that sooner or later that thought is going to start to have a weakening effect on your mind, until ultimately it’s no longer going to be there because you no longer paid attention to it, no longer accepted it, no longer believed it, no longer surrender to it. And most people when they get to this point, Mark, they think I’m doing my meditation wrong. And I always tell them, no, no, no, no, no, you’re actually doing it right. That’s what I want you to see. That’s standing in the way between you and your happiness. On the other side of that is a whole new area that you get to wire your brain anyway you choose.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So, then there’s an unlearning process before the relearning process. There’s a breaking a habit of the old self and a reinvention of a new self. You got to prune synaptic connections, and they got to practice sprouting new ones. You got to unfire and unwire, you got to refire and rewire. You got to deprogram and reprogram. You got to lose your mind and create a new one. And you have to and memorize emotions that keep you connected to the same familiar past, and then recondition the body to a new mind into a new emotion. So then, that process, if there’s a formula to apply, let’s just say, you sitting in your meditation, it means-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Because it sounds good, right? But how do you get from here to there? I’m sure everybody is thinking who is listening.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah, of course. But everybody’s done it. They’ve done it, they just haven’t made it a habit. And so then, if you’re sitting in a meditation, and you have something to do and your body starts going, “I’m angry, I’m frustrated, and it’s my ex wife, it’s my whatever.” And you go like this to your body. Okay, okay, now listen, you settle down, and you know exactly what to do. And you tame the animal, you tell it to sort of stay, and relax it back into the present moment. What I wanted to know-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Sit down, boy.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Sit. That’s a victory, that’s a victory. And then if the body starts going, “I got to get up, I got to check my cell phone, I got to go, I got a meeting, I’m busy.” And you notice that your body’s habituated into the same predictable future and you settle your body back down into the present moment, now you’re executing a will, that’s greater than those unconscious programs. And that’s a victory. And if you keep doing this over and over again, just like training an animal, the body is going to stay, it’s going to surrender to a new mind. And when that occurs, there’s a liberation of energy and the person relaxes into the present moment. That’s the unknown. The familiar past is the known, the predictable future is the known, the only one place left is the sweet spot of that generous present moment.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Now, let’s get the person so familiar with their unconscious thoughts that when it comes they don’t respond to them, so aware of their habits and behaviors. So, a conscious of the emotions that they typically feel in a waking day, they would never go unconscious to that emotion again. And you say to the person, “Hey, Mark, what thoughts do you want to fire and wire in your brain?”
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And with intention and attention, if we showed you how to do that, nerve cells that fire together wire together, just take a little repetition, a little presence, you start installing the hardware, keep doing it, it’s going to become a software program. What does that mean? That’s going to be the new voice in your head that says, “Mark, you can do it?” If you said, okay-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
I can teach my inner voice to speak a different language?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Exactly. You can change-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
That sounds good.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
You can change-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
That sounds good.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
But then [crosstalk 00:29:19]-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Portuguese, because I think it’s a nice sounding, very sexy language. I think Portuguese is very sexy.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
But if you said them, “Okay, how am I going to be with my co workers? How am I going to be with my employees? How am I going to be with my ex wife? What would greatness look like today?” And you sat down and closed your eyes. And you rehearsed in your mind how you’re going to be in every one of those situations.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Hmm.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
If you study the research in neuroscience, mental rehearsal installs neurological hardware in your brain to look like you already did it.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
[crosstalk 00:29:59]. I think about my serve before I serve, and I do it better.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Of course. Because you’ve produced that mind. So if you keep doing that, you install hardware, practice it and rehearse it, it becomes a software program, which means you start behaving that way. Now, here’s the challenging part. Can you teach your body emotionally, what the future reality that you want to live in feels like before it happens? Now, this is very difficult if you’ve been conditioned into believing something your outer world has to change to take away the emptiness or the lack, to make you feel differently. This is saying actually feel the emotion before it happens, and don’t wait for the experience to occur. Teach your body what the feeling will be before it occurs, if the environment signals the gene, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, you’re signaling the gene ahead of the environment. And genes make proteins and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body. And the expression of proteins is the expression of life. So teach the body emotionally to self regulate to believe it’s living in an environment that’s flourishing.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
That’s wonderful. Keep practicing it and it’ll become familiar to you. And the process then creates a new identity. And it’s not difficult once you understand what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. And the more you combine all those different branches of science and make it in a simple way to understand if people understand the what and the why, the how it gets easier because you can assign meaning to what you’re doing and it becomes instrumental. So get a group of people, 1000 people, 1500 people, 2000 people into a room, teach them that information, whether they’re coming for wealth or health, or relationship, a new career, a mystical experience, get them all together and teach them and measure what can take place in a one week period of time. And I assure you, that’s more than 75% of the people that go through and go all in and retreat from their lives and remove the same stimulation from their environment and not be in the same conditions and teaching them that information, give them numerous opportunities to apply it and numerous opportunities to get beyond themselves.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
All you need is that first person that stands on the stage and says, “Hey, I walked in here with Parkinson’s disease. I have no idea what happened, but I’m not trembling anymore.” And boy, that last thing, just something clicked for me, and the person in the audience was watching the Four Minute Mile right in front of them and going, “Wow, that guy looks like he’s not a vegan, he doesn’t look like he’s particularly in shape. But his Parkinson’s went away. And wow, if he could do it, I could do it and somebody else changes their belief.” And now that’s the footprint and consciousness get enough people doing that, by the end of the week, you’re going to see things… We’ve seen blind people seeing, deaf people hearing, not once, not twice-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow, really!
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
We’ve seen people with strokes for 10 years lift their arms up again. We’ve seen people step out of wheelchairs, people on crutches, drop their crutch. You see, the body literally recalibrates to a new mind. And they’re not intentionally trying to do anything, they’re just becoming somebody else. But the process of overcoming is the process of becoming. And if you teach people that formula, and you get just one or two people doing it, it’s just going to become an infection, and wellness is going to spread just like disease.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
It’s good. Yeah. I think health is contagious, actually. So Joe, a lot of people listening are going, “Yeah, this all makes sense.” And I’m sure having these thoughts. But taming the mind is hard. And a lot of us feel things and have really strong emotions. And we think that they have an existence of their own. But it’s really the thoughts that create emotions, right? It’s thoughts that create the feelings because we have a belief, we have perspective, we have a narrative and it can happen in a nanosecond. Right? It can happen in a nanosecond, but is that how it works?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Well, as you said at the beginning of the show, there’s never a time where your body isn’t influencing your mind, and there’s never a time where your mind isn’t influencing your body. You have a body in your mind and a mind mapped in your brain. And it’s the same. So, to a person then who’s become so happy being unhappy, that that familiar feeling in them is something that they enjoy feeling because they don’t know who they would be if they didn’t feel that feeling. Okay? Let’s… Okay. Let’s just say-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
A lot of the sick people here, without their illness is their identity. And without it, they don’t know who they are.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And why? Why? Because the suffering, and I’m not saying this is for everybody. That person gets attention from it, gets people to visit, gets whatever they need, but in a sense, they also have relationships where they love to share the same emotions and if you share the same experiences, you share the same emotion. So Mark, let’s get on the phone and let’s complain for the next 30 minutes about how miserable life is, and then I’ll try to top you and you try to top me, and we’re using either to reaffirm some type of conditioning, right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So, that becomes the identity. So, then let’s just say you decide to stop blaming, stop complaining, stop making excuses, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Stop talking trash, stop commiserating. You just say, “I’m going to quit that.” In the first hour, you do really well. But the problem is, the body’s saying, “Hey, Mark…”
Dr. Mark Hyman:
This is what you’ve been in an hour.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. When you call Joe, and you start commiserating, so what does the body say? The body starts influencing the mind and it starts calling up circuits in the brain that are connected to that emotion that you’ve been using all along. So, then you start thinking about all the reasons you’re unhappy, now that thought leads to a choice, that choice leads to the same behavior, the same behavior creates the same experience, and the same experience produces the same feeling and the same emotion. And that same emotion starts to influence the very same thought. And now the person returns back to their same biology and the health condition will always be there, because it’s the environment that looks like it’s signaling the gene. But it’s the emotion.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So then, if the person all of a sudden says, “Okay, I’m going to do my meditation,” and you do your meditation at 11 o’clock in the morning, and that’s normally when you get on your emails and start judging people, your body’s going to say you’re out of schedule. So, the process of change requires then not only addressing the mind, which is the thought, but also the emotion that’s conditioned into the body. And if you break it down for people, they’ll be able to distinguish in the process of change, “Oh, my God.” I’m fasting from…. breaking in addiction. Your body’s craving, I just got to suffer a little bit, but somebody wants to suffer, and you got to be able to work with it. And not just to sit there and white knuckle it to learn how to self regulate.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So learn how to make those changes with your eyes open, that’s when it matters the most. You practice meditation with your eyes closed, you take your body out for a test drive during the day with your eyes open, and you work on staying conscious, right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah. The purpose of meditation is not to get better at meditation, it’s to get better in life. Right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Becoming more conscious. Exactly.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah. So those four elements that you talked about, a little [crosstalk 00:37:34].
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. So it’s really simple. So, the first thing is that people have this very strong belief that there was some innate intelligence within them that was giving them life, there’s some energy, some force of life that made them more vitalistic and less mechanistic. Whether it was spiritual, whatever they want to call it, that there was some power within them that that they acknowledged that was giving them life. The second thing was, they realized that it was their own mismanagement of their thoughts, and their actions and their emotions that created their health condition. They realized, I actually had a strong part in this and they started taking responsibility. And really started… They decided, I got to break the habit of being myself. Now, they really said, “If I’m going to live the next part of my life with this health condition, I don’t want to live like that person any longer. If I only have six months to live, I don’t want to live that way.” So they started becoming conscious of their unconscious self and so conscious that they didn’t want to go unconscious.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And then they started thinking number three, “If I actually had a new lease on life, if I actually could heal, if I actually could live another year, how would I live my life?” Now, they didn’t say I’m going to be the same person, they said, “How do I want to think? How do I want to act? How do I want to feel?” And exactly how I described, they went into an inward process, not even a meditation, just what do I want to tell myself? And let me repeat it. How do I want to live with my family? How do I want to eat dinner? What emotions do I want to feel? And they started changing their personality. They started reinventing a new self. And then the last thing that they had in common is that they started noticing when they would close their eyes and do this, they lost track of space and time. That they thought was like 15 minutes that went by or 20 minutes that went by. And in actuality, it was an hour and 20 minutes that went by.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow!
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
They had no sense of space and time in their inner process. And I was interested in demystifying the process, because I wanted to see if we could teach that process. But that worked with sick people and other people and it worked.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
So you’re taking these ancient spiritual traditions and meditation and spiritual practices, and you put a lot of structure and science behind it to help the average Westerner who’s not familiar with those practices to actually access it, which is really an extraordinary gift. And I’d love to sort of have you talked about some of the practical things that people can do like gratitude. You talked about how there’s 1200 chemicals released in the body from the practice of gratitude. And again, I’d be scared to know how many molecules come out with the practice of stress and complaining. I don’t want to know that. I don’t want to know that. Talk about the gratitude, the biology of gratitude.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. So I studied this extensively, because we actually… We did an experiment and we took a group of people that came to our event, and we did all kinds of brain measurements on them, and then we put HRV, heart rate variability devices on them, and we asked them to trade emotions like fear, or anger or resentment or impatience or frustration, and stop feeling those feelings and just for a few times a day, to feel gratitude, and we would talk them through it just for 15 minutes, 10 or 15 minutes to three times a day. At the end of four days, we were looking to measure if there were any significant changes in their immune regulation. And we found out that the body started producing 50% more of a chemical called IGA, immunoglobulin A, the body’s natural antiviral, antibacterial, natural flu shot.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so, when you are receiving something favorable, or you just receive something enjoyable, if something wonderful just happened to you, or something really amazing is happening to you, you feel grateful. So, the emotional signature of gratitude is something amazing is happening to her just happen to you, right?
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So it’s the ultimate state of receiving emotionally. So if you can teach a person to truly practice gratitude, there’ll be significant changes in the way their heart thumps, the way it beats, and what it starts to do to the brain. We’ve studied this 1000s of times. So when you start feeling grateful, your heart starts beating in a rhythm that begins to influence or inform the brain that it’s safe to create. It’s believing in that moment, that it’s safe to be it be out of survival. And practice that enough times the body starts to regenerate. So, we saw changes in immune regulation, we saw changes in gene expression. Why? Because the body’s believing it’s living in an environment where the person’s dreams have already happened. Now, we only accept, believe and surrender to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state. We never accept, believe and surrender to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. And this is why affirmations don’t work.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
You could say, “I’m healthy, I’m healthy, I’m healthy, I’m healthy, I’m wealthy, I’m wealthy, I’m wealthy, I’m wealthy, I’m free, I’m free, I’m free,” and your body’s going, “No, you’re not, you’re miserable.” So the thought never makes it past the brainstem to the body. Teach a person to change from fear, and break that conditioning, and practice with enough times creating the same feeling of gratitude as automatically as they did with fear. It makes sense then, that in a very short amount of time, you can see very significant changes, and how the body regulates and how it functions. And the heart then starts to beat in this beautiful, beautiful, coherent state.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And so we started looking to see if teaching people how to do that and sustaining it, if it made significant changes, and without a doubt, when we accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts that are equal to the emotional state of gratitude, that information programs the autonomic nervous system into a different destiny. So then teach a person how to be in a state of receivership and gratitude, they can program their brain and body a lot quicker than when they’re feeling fear and anger, because you get the diagnosis, the moment you get the diagnosis, you notice a change in your internal state. You’ve changed. And when you notice that change in your internal state, the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot and that’s called the long-term memory. So the doctor says, “You have six months to live, you have this condition, this is what happened.”
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And all that information’s going in because it’s equal to the emotion of fear. And to get the person out of that state because that’s a state of survival and you’re losing energy in the body, and in gratitude you’re you’re regenerating energy. So get the person to a state of gratitude, and then teach them how to program their brain and body then we start seeing changes in their autonomic nervous system.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah. And the biggest pharmacy is between our ears. Right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Exactly.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And that you’re teaching people how to access that. The challenge I see for people and I’m thinking about this very selfishly and personally, is, ” Okay, I meditate, but is that enough? If I meditate 20 minutes, twice a day. I do sort of a mantra meditation, I still have this relationship to my thoughts that I struggle with. So, are there other practices that you teach that help people to really break that pattern? Because it’s not just about sitting, it’s something else that has to happen. Right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Sure. Well, first of all, absolutely. Meditation is not just to meditate, and then get up and return back to the same person flipping people off on the freeway and judging your partner, that’s going back to the old self. Meditation is to prime the brain and body into a new state of being and then maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day, you got to be able to practice it with your eyes open, that no condition, no circumstance in your environment, no person, no thing, no craving in the body, no wrong choice, you got to be able to sustain that state. And if you can, get ready because there’s going to be changes in your outer world. That’s the law. So when we started studying people that were healing in this work, that were diagnosed, a lot of them with immune mediated conditions, Mark.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Like autoimmune diseases, and…
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. Autoimmune diseases, from cancer to rheumatoid to everything in between. They noticed that when they started doing the meditations, their well-being came back. But their blood values and their markers never changed. And it occurred to them, “My God, I have a great meditation, I feel amazing. But then when I get up, I return back to the same whirring person. Now I got to step it up. I got to make the changes with my eyes open.” And when they started doing it with their eyes open, that’s when we started seeing the blood values and everything changing.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So in our retreats, you can sit as it and get really good at it. But then there’s four types of meditation, there’s a seated, there’s a standing, there’s a walking, and there’s a laying down. So, if you’re going to become that person you want to become you better be able to practice doing it with your eyes open. So we teach people 1000, 1500 people on a beach or in a park, it’s really cool to watch. Everybody open their hearts, get in that elevated state and move into a new state of being. And then let’s open our eyes. And now let’s practice walking with our eyes open as that person. No different than rehearsing for a play or rehearsing and becoming that person. And if you do it enough times, and a person understands that if they could really… How would I walk if I could heal my body in an hour? Who am I going to leave behind here, and who am I going to walk as? And a lot of people just hit it. And when they do, you see dramatic changes in their health because they’re actually embodying the energy of their future.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So we practice seating, we practice standing and walking, we practice laying down, we practice it all ways, because we want the person to become that very person in one week. And if they do, our research shows, there’s dramatic, dramatic biological markers that change. Not small amounts, thousands.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
What are you seeing? What are you seeing?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Wow! Oh, my God. Just everything from methylated DNA to changes in cytokines, changes in immune markers to suppression of ATP and cancer cells to down regulating genes for Alzheimer’s, and we just see dramatic changes in people’s biology.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And you mentioned gene expression changes too. Can you talk about genes? Because we don’t really think about our thoughts changing our genes. Right?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah. So, again, I’d like to simplify it for the average person for us, regular people, and it’s really simple. Your body is a protein producing machine. And muscle cells make muscle proteins, they are called actin and myosin, skin cells make skin proteins, they are called collagen and elastin. Stomach cells make stomach proteins they are called enzymes. And every cell in your body except red blood cells, makes proteins and proteins are responsible for structure holding it together and function physiology. How we work, it’s messengers, right? But in order for a cell to make a protein, a gene has to be regulated.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So they used to say genes create disease. Well, you know this less than 1% of the people on the planet are born with a genetic health condition. Everything else is lifestyle. It’s behavior, it’s the stress. So then, is it possible then, that if they say now, genes don’t create diseases, the environment that signals the gene that creates disease. Take two identical twins, you watch one age looks… dies 54, the other one lives to 83. They don’t even look like the same person, shared the same genome, or the environment was signaling the gene expression to make certain proteins and the person develops a different condition, because it’s the environment that does it. Now here’s the problem.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
But if the environment signals the gene, the outer environment of the cell is the inner environment of the body. And what is that? That’s the emotions, or chemical, physical and emotional balance that we have to maintain. So, if a person’s just constantly living in fear and even if the environment is wonderful, and they’re on vacation, and they keep remembering an event or anticipating the future, and they’re bringing up the emotion of anxiety and fear, it makes sense then, that the person’s signaling the gene, outside of the outer environment, because they’re making the emotion in their inner environment, and there’s no difference. And so, if that happens, the constant effect by the hormones of stress down regulate genes and create disease. And if you can turn on that stress response just by thinking about your problems, then your thoughts are literally going to make you sick.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So if your thoughts can make you sick, can your thoughts make you well? And you cannot begin to see changes in a person’s health until they stop regulating the same genes the same way, and they start up regulating new genes, and down regulating old genes. And if they do that, they start producing different enzymes and different chemicals and different hormones, and their body begins to scale in a different direction.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
So powerful. This work is so powerful. How is it different from other forms of meditation or practice that people are doing?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Gosh, I have to be really honest, Mark, I don’t even know what anybody else is doing. We’re so immersed in the stuff that we’re doing. Basically, what I am, I’m a pragmatist. You want to talk about quantum superposition, to me if it has no effect on my life, I’m not interested. But if it hasn’t… If it is a practical application, I’m interested in the practical application. So we look at… I was going to say we have over 13,000 brain scans now.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
We look at real time brain scans. I’m looking at your brain in a one hour an hour and 10 minute meditation. At certain moments, I’m watching what you’re doing if you can actually change your brainwaves. And if you can sustain those changes, and can you do it again and make it a habit? Can you make it a skill? Can you repeat it enough times that you can do it more automatically? So I’m watching the words, we’re watching the words that I’m saying, I’m not studying any tradition, any ancient scriptures, I think that the moment you start talking religion, or tradition, or scriptures or spirituality, you’re going to divide an audience. I think science creates community. So what we do is we look. We’ve actually created… When you see a person move into love or gratitude. And you see what that does to the brain in an instant, it informs the brain to be creative.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
When you see that and you see this dance between the two, and you turn around and you look at that person, and they got this big smile on their face. They’re so in love with the moment they don’t want it to end there. And there’s very strong biological changes. So we’re looking at scans of hearts and brains, we’re looking at collective scans of people just to see if we can demystify the process. I don’t want to shut an audience off with a word, I want to create new words that are science based. So the meditations that we teach all have meaning behind what we’re doing, because we’ve studied the scans and studied the effects, and it has certain intentions of why we’re doing it, whether we want to signal new dreams, whether we want to create more brain coherence, more heart coherence, we want to create coherence between the brain and the heart. What is it that we want to do? So we have different meditations for different intentions, really.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
It’s so great. Your work is so accessible. And I’d just love you to share a little bit about the kinds of offerings you did. Because people listening are, “Wow, this sounds great. How do I really change my mindset? How do I rewire my brain? How do I get different neurons to fire together? How do I practice gratitude? How do I begin to shift my emotional states by changing my beliefs?” And it’s something that we need a hand for. It’s hard to do on our own. And your work is such a beautiful collection of offerings. There’s a scientific research when you go on your website, Drjoedispenza.com and look for that. But you’ve got a wonderful new online course, The Formula, which is 12, 30 to 40 minute lessons and five meditations and a study guide, and allows people to access this in an easy way. It’s affordable in the comfort of their own home. So, can you share a little bit about that course. And then let’s talk about some other things you’re doing like the live events.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Sure. Thank you, Mark. So, again, a lot of times we listen, we have a community that definitely, we’re very interactive within. And one of the things that people kept saying is, “Okay, my husband, he’s not going to watch the weekend course, he’s not going to do the steady course, my boss notices that I’m very different, but he’s not ready for this. Or my best friend, she just ended a relationship and she can’t stop complaining and I’m not the right person tell her.” So can you do something that’s a little bit simpler and just more easily bite sizable that people can digest. And so, when we started looking at the process of change and transformation, we figured out it was a formula that just like dancing the salsa, or hitting a golf ball, or hitting a tennis ball, or giving a speech, if you learn the practice of it, it gets easier.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So, we did this course called The Formula, and it’s become super popular because basically, what we’re doing is we’re giving you the science and the basic understandings. And then you get five meditations after a few of the courses, you practice one, and then you build on that, you practice the next one, then you build on this, and you practice the next one, and you put it together. And the model just keeps expanding. So we wanted to make it something that was easy for people to wrap their mind around and not too long and not too heavy. So, we did The Formula and launched it. And-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
That’s great. And people can go to Drjoedispenza.com and find it?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yes, yes. It’s on the website.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Okay. And then the other thing I wanted to have you talked about is Dr. Joe Live, which is your monthly community question and answer. And then share a little bit more about the the live events, because I think those are really immersive, intensive week long events. And I’ve known people who’ve gone to those, and I really want to go, and I think they’ve had real transformational experiences. It’s one of those game changers for people.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
DR. Joe Live is just a great thing that we do. It’s an International service, we have a community of hundreds of thousands of people around the world. And one of the things is that people have questions, and the questions really are not about theoretical concepts, but more about the practical application. And so, every month, the last Thursday of every month, I go down on there and I just answer questions, and I talk for a bit, for 30 minutes or so, develop a concept how we develop anxiety, how we develop depression, how to create brain coherence, how not to create heart incoherence. We just pick a topic and break it down for people. So when they sit down and they do the work, they remember. And they can assign meaning to what they’re doing. So, it’s just become super popular and you don’t have to be on the call, you can subscribe and then they send you the recording and listen to it.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
And it’s free.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Yeah.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
It’s free?
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
No, it’s… That one is a $10 a month service.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Oh, okay. Well, that’s pretty good bargain. And how about the live events? Share about what those are like. And then also, when you talk about the events, talk about the kinds of experiences that people have, the transformations that occur, what happens in there, what to expect.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Sure. We started doing these weekend workshops. And when we did, we started seeing people have some really dramatic health changes. And I thought, “Okay, let’s go from Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, let’s do a four and a half day event.” So we started elongating the events and started seeing more healings and more changes. And then I thought, “God, if we could have people for seven days, it would be really awesome.” And so we started doing these seven day events, we’ve done 30 of them now, in fact.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Wow!
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And it’s probably, for me, the greatest place I want to be. And when we solicit our community and ask them what they think of the week long event, over 95% say it’s the best week of their life. It’s just really transformative in a lot of ways. And it’s an opportunity for people to retreat from their lives for just a whole entire week and remove the constant stimulation in their external environment that reminds them of who they think they are, to separate themselves from all the people and places and things and learn vital information. And then learn the science of how to change, and learn the science of how to create a new life and, and give people lots of opportunities. They’re long days, they’re full, and it’s super transformative and fun. And we do a lot of scientific measurements there, of course, but you’ll witness some of the most incredible miracles in a one week period of time.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
We just had a guy that was a veteran, a Green Beret that had a lot of physical injuries and accidents and had PTSD, had brain injuries. He had broken lots of parts of his body and was pretty much suicidal at this point, and he went and had two knee replacements. And when he came out of the surgery, he said he felt like his feet were on fire and after a couple months asked the doctors to cut his feet off, because he couldn’t handle the pain. And they said, We can’t guarantee that-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
The pain will away.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
… pain will go away because of phantom pain. So anyway, he came to the events, salt of the Earth, ex military guy, just wide open, doesn’t know anything, “Just tell me what to do,” perfect person. And he came in a wheelchair, his wife wheeled him in a wheelchair. And somewhere around the third or fourth day, when we did our first laying down meditation, something really profound happened, he had one of those arousals. And he felt that move right through his autonomic nervous system and an incredible amount of order. And when he opened his eyes, he had no pain in his feet after that moment. Now, within two hours, we were out there doing a walking meditation. And he went from his wheelchair to crutches on the beach there, and sat out there, got in his heart. Remembered that if you could feel the emotions of his future before it happened, his body would believe it’s living in a different environment, a different reality. And this guy had nothing else to do, nothing else was working.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
So he went all in. And then I see him out there the next day Mark, and he’s standing on there with one crutch with his hands locked in over his crutch. And I’m just looking at him the wind’s blowing in his hair, and he’s just… You could just tell this guy’s hooked up. And there’s 50 people on the beach, and he’s right in front of me. And I swear, you can ask anybody at this event, I turned around and this guy was running down the beach. And the volunteer that… Because people with crutches, or wheelchairs, or handicap, we have volunteers. The volunteer is-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Running after him.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Running after him. And then I see him run back, and there’s no volunteer, he just dusted him. And he said he had connected to something so incredible, so big, that he felt like he was literally born again. And to this day, he runs now, he has no pain, he has no depression, he has no suicidal tendencies.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Amazing.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
I mean, he’s in a new body. He’s in a new life.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Amazing.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
He’s in a whole new future. And so, you see those and you just can’t go back to business as usual, you just can’t be the same person again. And then we do a lot of healings also on other people now, because we’ve… In fact, we have universities now that are studying what we’re doing, because our effects are so incredibly dramatic. And so we do a lot of coherence healings on other people. And again, studying the effects, we had random event generators in our last event measuring if we were creating huge fluctuations in the field. Of course, they were so obvious, I just looked at the data yesterday. And I love people to see it. I want people to see it. And if a person is part of someone else’s coherence healing, I want them to know that they healed that person. I want them to know how powerful they are.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
And I don’t care what they eat, what they believe in, I don’t care where they’re from, the color of their skin, how in shape, out of shape they are, I’ve talked to all of them. Nobody is excluded, that in all forms and walks of life, are doing this collectively, and it’s becoming a new consciousness. And what I mean by that is, what I’m saying is, consciousness is awareness. The moment you become aware of possibilities that you are unaware of, now they exist. And that means that other people can step into those footprints, not just as a possibility, but witnessing the possibility in front of them is truth.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Because the person who’s standing on the stage, who’s talking about how their stage four cancer went into remission, and there’s no metastasis in any bone, a PET scan, and you can see the before and after, I’m looking at the audience, and everybody is leaning in. You know why? Because they’re looking at truth. They’re staring truth right in the face, and they can’t deny it. And that person isn’t telling a glamorous story. They’re going to tell you the real facts of what happened to them, and it’s going to be relatable. And so we have clearly compelling evidence in our scientific studies. And we have really compelling evidence in our testimonies of students in this work-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Yeah, incredible.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
… and evidence is the loudest voice. And that’s what’s going to make a difference.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
That’s so great, Joe. This is such good work and I’m just so proud of you for doing it. And bringing this everybody, I know it’s hard to schlep around and do all this work, but you’re in service and it’s a beautiful thing to see. And I can’t wait to go to your next workshop here. I’m going to-
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Mark-
Dr. Mark Hyman:
I can tell you.
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
… you’re invited. You’re invited.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
Okay. Well-
Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Now you don’t have an excuse.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
No, I don’t. [inaudible 01:04:52]. I actually just was cluing into my own self awareness and my own level of well-being and my own suffering or negative thoughts and I’ve been going through some stuff lately that’s been challenging. And just having this conversation with you, I feel totally transformed. And I’m like, “Wow, okay, well, I’m going in for the week. If I can get this in an hour.” I really thank you, Joe. And thank you for doing the work you do and for being on the Doctor’s Farmacy podcast. And I encourage everybody go to Dr. Joe’s website, Drjoedispenza, follow him on social media. And you will not be sorry, he’s a good man. He’s got a beautiful heart and he’s doing good work in the world. And who knows, it might just help you with what you’re suffering from. And I think that’s the game, is to move from suffering to freedom, and you provide a roadmap. And I thank you.
Dr. Mark Hyman:
So if you’ve listened to the podcast and you loved it, share with everybody who needs it, which is pretty much every human on the planet. And leave a comment, I hope you transform your own native consciousness and use your mind to heal yourself. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and we’ll see you next week on the Doctor’s Farmacy.
Speaker 1:
Hi, everyone, I hope you enjoyed this week’s episode. Just a reminder that this podcast is for educational purposes only. This podcast is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. This podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. If you’re looking for help in your journey, seek out a qualified medical practitioner. If you’re looking for a functional medicine practitioner, you can visit ifm.org and search there find a practitioner database. It’s important that you have someone in your corner who’s trained, who’s a licensed health care practitioner and can help you make changes especially when it comes to your health.
