Halle Berry: Why Women Are Being Failed at Menopause

Mark Hyman, MD

Dr. Mark Hyman is leading a health revolution—one focused on using food as medicine to support longevity, energy, mental clarity, happiness, and so much more. Mark Hyman, MD is a practicing family physician and an internationally recognized leader, speaker, educator, and advocate in the field of Functional Medicine. He is the founder and director of The UltraWellness Center, Founder and Senior Advisor for the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine, a sixteen-time New York Times best-selling author, and Board President for Clinical Affairs for The Institute for Functional Medicine. He is the founder and chairman of the Food Fix Campaign, dedicated to transforming our food and agriculture system through policy.

He is a co-founder and the Chief Medical Officer of Function Health. He is the host of one of the leading health podcasts, The Dr. Hyman Show with 150+ million downloads. Dr. Hyman is a regular medical contributor to several television shows and networks, including CBS This Morning, Today, Good Morning America, The View, Fox, and CNN.

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Halle Berry
I wake up in the morning, and I cannot go to the bathroom. I'm sitting there, and I just can't go. It's like, ugh. It's the most excruciating pain I've ever felt. So the first thing, of course, you do, you go to the doctor.

He said, well, this is the worst case of herpes I think I've seen. So my guy, Van, is downstairs in the car because he had driven me to the doctor's office. I get in the car and I'm looking at him and I'm like, hey, so, you got herpes? So then an hour later my doctor calls me and says, no, you do not have herpes. I said, then what is it?

And he said, I don't know. And he hung up the phone. I realized that what I was suffering from was dry vagina syndrome because in perimenopause over fifty percent of women get dry everything. Dry eyes, dry mouth, and dry vagina. And all of those were dry on me.

Nobody had ever mentioned the word menopause. I was so ignorant, Mark. I thought I would skip it.

Dr. Mark Hyman
As a physician, I learned almost nothing about menopause in medical school except that it happens. There's sixty million women in America who are in menopause, and they're not being well taken care of by the health care system.

Halle Berry
I had to be loud. I had to be unafraid to tell this very kind of embarrassing story because we had to start the conversation.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Welcome to a special episode of the Doctor. Hyman Show recorded live at the Eudaimonia Summit. Eudaimonia is a three day gathering designed to elevate human health and potential. Here, over a 100 leading scientists, clinicians, and wellness innovators come together to share the most advanced evidence based strategies for longevity and well-being. And I'm thrilled to bring you a conversation from the heart of this transformative event.

Frilled to be here. Frilled to have Hallie here. Frilled to talk about something that is kind of a taboo subject and mostly ignored by medicine, menopause. As a doctor, I've come to learn that most of women's health problems and most of women's problems in general start with men. Menopause, menstrual cramps, mental anxiety.

So

Halle Berry
Why is that?

Dr. Mark Hyman
Men in general. No. But, you know, the the truth is that, you know, as a physician, I learned almost nothing about menopause in medical school except that it happens and that we should give Premin and Provera, which unfortunately have a lot of side effects and are not the best hormone replacement therapy. And as a physician, I I had the privilege of working in a place called Canyon Ranch where for almost ten years, I treated a population of women between, you know, late thirties and late fifties. So I really got to see what was going on in the whole continuum from reproductive life to perimenopause through menopause and after, and I just realized how much suffering there was, how much unnecessary suffering there was, and how neglected it was.

There's sixty million women in America who are in menopause, and they're not being well taken care of by the health care system. And I also realized that it's sort of accepted that women have to suffer, that they have to have PMS. You know what that stands for? Punish my spouse. And and the the you know, PMS, seventy five percent of women have some degree of it.

Some have a severe form called PMDD, which is premenstrual dysphoric disorder, bad menstrual cramps or dysmen dysmenorrhea, heavy bleeding, irregular cycles, infertility, dysfunctional uterine bleeding, endometriosis, so many different problems that have come to me seen as just a normal part of being a woman. They're not. They're a result of things that are eminently treatable if you understand how to get to the root cause. And, you know, why I'm thrilled to be here with Hallie is because she's had an epiphany that this was an area of health and health care and medicine that was neglected, that she was a victim of, I would say, and has made her life and her second act in life about addressing this on a cultural level, on a health care level, on an empowerment level for women, which I think is amazing. So let's give it up for Hallie.

Halle Berry
Thank you.

Dr. Mark Hyman
So with that with that prelude, you know, tell us about your origin story with this because you're you're America's sex symbol. Right? And menopause is not thought of something

Halle Berry
It's not sexy.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Sexy. Right. So, you know, you you were going through a lot of health care changes, and you got misdiagnosed. You were told you had a very embarrassing condition that ended up being not actually true, and it was something else. And you begin to realize how much you were failed by medicine.

So tell us about that story and how you all got started in this.

Halle Berry
But when I was 54 thank you.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh, didn't you look great?

Halle Berry
But when I was 54, nobody had ever mentioned the word menopause. I was so ignorant, Mark. I thought I would skip it. I thought whatever that thing is, I'm gonna skip it. Right?

I got myself off insulin. I I knew that food was medicine, and I thought, well, I'm gonna sail through whatever the hell that is. Well, no. We all are gonna face it if we're lucky enough to get there. But finally, I met you know, I've been, like you, married and divorced few times.

Dr. Mark Hyman
I'm a relationship expert. I've been married three times. Me

Halle Berry
too. Times. And divorced three times.

Dr. Mark Hyman
There you go.

Halle Berry
So I finally met my man. Right? And I knew that this was my man. After three divorces, you kinda know when you meet your person. I met my person, and we were having the best sex two people could have.

Everything was functioning the way it should. We were on fire, and I thought, wow. This is the best time of my life. We have a year of great sex. All of a sudden, at the end of that year, we're having great sex.

I wake up in the morning, and I cannot go to the bathroom. I'm sitting there, and I just can't go. It's like, ugh. It's the most excruciating pain I've ever felt. And I thought, what the heck is going on?

I looked down there. It's blown up. It looks like something it's never looked like before. And I thought, my god. What has happened to me?

So the first thing, of course, you do, you go to the doctor. Go to the doctor that I've known a long time, and I say, what what is happening here? And he's like, well, he looks up there and he says, well, I I know what this is. And I'm like, you do? What is it?

He said, well, this is the worst case of herpes I think I've seen. And I'm like, herpes? Seriously. What do you mean herpes? And not that herpes is a bad thing, but you think that's something you wanna tell a girl like you got herpes.

I said, oh my god. He said, yeah. It's it's herpes. I'll do the test. It'll come back in seventy two hours, but, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is herpes.

So my guy, Van, is downstairs in the car because he had driven me to the doctor's office. He's down there in the car. I get in the car, I'm looking at him, and I'm like, hey. So, you got herpes?

Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh god.

Halle Berry
And he's like, I don't have herpes. I'm like, no. You do have herpes because I have herpes now, and I didn't have herpes before I knew you. So you have herpes. And he's like,

Dr. Mark Hyman
no. Conversation.

Halle Berry
It's a fun a very fun conversation with the love of your life of a year. And I said, no. You you do. And he said, nobody's ever told me that. So I'm like, well, let me be the first to tell you, man.

You have herpes. And now you've given it to me. And so we're in the car, and we're driving, and we're just mad, and we don't know what to say to each other. So I say to him, look. You need to go get a test.

We need to see what's going on here. So he runs right to the doctor. He gets a test. So for seventy two hours as a new couple, we are just not that herpes is the end of the world because it's not, but you should tell each other that. So we had issues with trust.

We didn't know who had the herpes, who gave the herpes. So seventy two hours, he gets his results back first. He doesn't have herpes. So he's looking at me like, well, looks like you gave me herpes. And I'm like, damn.

Think I gave him herpes. But how did that happen? So then an hour later, my doctor calls me and says, I said, I know. I know. I got herpes.

He said, no. You do not have herpes. And I said, I don't? He's like, no. And this was my moment that changed the second act of my life because he's I said, then what is it?

And he said, I don't know. And I thought, how can you not know? You're the doctor. You don't know what this is? And he said, I truly don't.

And that's all he said, and he hung up the phone. And I sat there with myself and with my new man, and I thought, this is not okay. I have to go on my own mission to figure out what this is and educate myself. And that's when I realized that what I was suffering from was dry vagina syndrome because in perimenopause, over fifty percent of women get dry everything, dry eyes, dry mouth, and dry vagina. And all of those were dry on me.

And that's when I realized if I had this little information and I argue I've had one of the best doctors, and he is one of the best doctors in California, but it's not his fault. He wasn't educated. He had a chapter of studying the menopausal body in medical school, one chapter half a day. Right? So he didn't know.

Not his fault, really, at the time, but that's when I realized I had to use my platform, use my voice. I had to not only educate myself, but I had to sort of start to be able to help other women understand. And I had to break open this conversation. I had to start talking about it. I had to be loud.

Right? I had to be unafraid to tell this very kind of embarrassing story because we had to start the conversation, and I had to make women okay to talk about it as well.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Thank you, Hallie, for sharing that.

Halle Berry
And by the way, when I said I was gonna have this conversation, all the people in my life that, you know, helped me manage my career, they all were like, oh, I don't know if you wanna go talking about menopause. That's gonna, like, just end your whole shit. And I thought, well, then I my whole shit will end, but I'm going to talk about what's important to me as a woman, and I'm going to talk about this time of my life. And if my movie career ends, I've had a good one. It's okay.

Okay. It's okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman
I think people always appreciate people who are authentic and tell the truth, and, that's what matters. One of the things that happened during my career as a doctor is that there was a big study called the Nurses Health Study, which was a observational study that showed that women who took hormones did better. And it was it was not proving cause and effect, but correlation. It turned out the women who were doing better were just healthier in general. They went to their doctor.

Exercised. They ate better. They took their vitamins. They didn't smoke, and that's why they had better health outcomes, not necessarily because they took the hormones. When they did a big study, was a billion dollar study commissioned by Bernadine Healy, who was the first head of the NIH as a woman, called the Women's Health Initiative.

And that study showed and there was problems with it, but that study showed that there were some adverse outcomes from women who took hormones, heart attacks and strokes and increased cancer risk. And all of a sudden, boom. Overnight. It was I remember. I think it was 2002 the study came out, and overnight, there were fifty million women that stopped hormones, which was a disaster.

Halle Berry
Single worst thing, I think, to happen for women's health.

Dr. Mark Hyman
It was a disaster. Just last week, there was a big change. You wanna share about it?

Halle Berry
The FDA lifted that black box warning, and I think that's one of the best things to happen, in women's health. But the truth is there's still going to be those women that are still going to be afraid because that stigma is still alive and well, and women are holding on to that. It's still, I feel, going to be very hard to get women to have faith that these bioidentical hormones will not cause them cancer. Yeah. Really.

I I think it is. And I know this because since that happened, I still talk to women, and they still say, oh, but I don't know. So my question is, what will it take for us to really start doing our own investigation and advocating for ourself and deciding for ourselves what's right for us that do understand the menopausal body that can give us real information so that we can make those educated decisions. Right? Not just, you know, what our friends tell us that their mothers have told them, but how do we come into 2025 and really start investigating for ourselves?

That's what we have to start.

Dr. Mark Hyman
It's really important. And I think the thing that has to happen and probably won't happen at scale is because the way drug companies make money is they modify a substance and make it proprietary, and then they can patent it, and then they can make money from it. But what you said was bioidentical, meaning it's what nature made. You can't patent what nature made like a vitamin or a hormone. And so it's cheap, and it it's not gonna make the money, and so they're not gonna do big studies on this.

And and that's a fundamental problem unless the government takes a hold of this and does this. And they have very different effects on the woman's body than these other hormones. Premerin increases the risk of inflammation. It causes high triglycerides. It increase cancer risk.

It's pregnant mare's urine. That's what it stands for. Pregnant mare's urine. Premarin. It's come that's how they get it.

And Provera is the other hormone they use, which is a form of synthetic progesterone that actually makes women gain weight, have facial hair, and be depressed. So it's not a lot of fun, but the bioidentical ones don't do that. So can you talk about the kinds of symptoms that women suffer from? You mentioned vaginal dryness. You mentioned dry eyes, dry mouth, but there's a whole host of things that happen or can happen, not to everybody.

But what did you experience, and what are you seeing in your in your company, Respin, which is really designed to help women through this process as a whole platform of education and support and coaching and hormone access to hormone therapy and doctors that provides a pathway where there's been none for women.

Halle Berry
Yes. Exactly. What blew my mind when I started to do my research, there are over 100 symptoms that are now attributed to perimenopause and menopause. And I think the most common ones, and many of you in this room are probably experiencing them, the worst ones I have, of course, is dry everything. I have dry mouth and dry eyes.

Doctors don't know. My rheumatologist tried to tell me that my dry dry mouth was Sjogren's disease. Why? Because he had only really, studied the research that came back to him from men. And if I were a man and I was complaining about the things that I was complaining about, probably would be Sjogren's disease, and he would put me on steroids for probably the rest of my life.

Said no.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Disease. Yeah.

Halle Berry
Right? And I said, no. I don't I I I do not accept this. I do not have Sjogren's disease. I just didn't believe it.

Another one of my doctors, because I have dry eyes, which I suffer from, he has been my doctor for a while. My my my glands in my eyes almost dried up because he could not say the word menopause to me. He he said, I can't tell Halle Berry she's in menopause. And I thought, then who's gonna tell me? You're my doctor.

We have to talk about this. So you see doctors can't even talk about it. So those are my major symptoms. I also had, brain fog. You know, nothing's worse than sitting in a meeting or on a phone call or on a set, and I can't remember.

I can't have word recall. Right in the middle of a sentence, I just lose my whole train of thought. Night sweats, up all night. You know, sleep deprivation is a form of torture. And we know this ladies who wake up at three in the morning, we try to solve all the world's problems.

We can't go back to sleep. When we finally get to sleep, it's morning. We have to get our kids off to school, then we go into work, we're like a bear, and we're so angry, and everybody's like, well, what the fuck is wrong with you? I've been up all night. You'd be this way too.

You know? It just never stops. And I felt like I was all alone. I I felt afraid, and I thought, I'm just getting old. And now I'm going to just shrivel up, and I'm gonna go off to pasture, and nobody's gonna care.

That's how I felt very depressed. I felt that alone and, like, that nobody heard my feelings. And when I tried to talk to health care professionals, I was just told, you know what? This is a part of getting old. That's all it is.

You're in your late fifties, and this is what this is. And you just have to suck it up and deal with it. And that was not okay. And that's why at Reespin, we have doctors there and coaches there that no. No.

We don't have to just suck it up. We deserve support. We deserve scientific information about what's happening with our body. We deserve a community of like minded women because I've learned most of the things about what I'm going through through other women

Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.

Halle Berry
Through the things that they've tried and what has worked for them and what hasn't worked for them. I've learned about all the symptoms based on what other women tell me they're experiencing. I'm not experiencing these things, but I learned about frozen shoulder and all these other itchy feet and itchy legs and ears and ringing in your head. Like, I learned

Dr. Mark Hyman
about libido.

Halle Berry
And low libido. Well, yeah, had that too. But now I'm better. I got on some testosterone. I got found my libido.

We don't have to, you know, sort of trail off into pasture. Like, there are ways like, we know that if you know the right things to do, when you know better, you do better. When you know the right foods to eat because food is medicine, when you know, you know, the if hormones are right for you, if you feel comfortable doing that, that can be a game changer. Like, we have the right to figure out what works for us.

Dr. Mark Hyman
I think that's really important because what you're what you're hitting on is is it's not just about hormone replacement therapy. And at ReSpin, you you do a comprehensive holistic approach, which includes lifestyle, diet, exercise, stress management, sleep, relationships, all the things that matter, nutritional support.

Halle Berry
Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman
And and, you know, we we don't really pay attention to that. And, you know, at Functional Health, we do deep diagnostics that help women understand where they are hormonally, where they are metabolically, where they are nutritionally, and you can start to see the patterns. And one of the things that I think you know, I don't know if you focus on this much, but what I noticed when women go through this late forties, early fifties transition is there's basically a whole set of hormones that go awry. It's not just sex hormones like estrogen, progesterone, or testosterone. It's insulin, and women get increased belly fat.

It's cortisol, which also

Halle Berry
You got the mental belly. Mental The mental belly.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Mental belly.

Halle Berry
Who's got the mental belly? Right. The mental belly.

Dr. Mark Hyman
It's crazy. Yeah. And it's cortisol goes up, and the stress goes up. And you're often in the sandwich generation. Your career's peaking.

Your kids are in teenagers. Your parents are older. It's like a whole it's a whole pressure cooker. And then you get thyroid dysfunction, very common too. So you've got insulin, cortisol, thyroid, sex hormones, four different hormones that go awry, and are all interacting to cause a lot of chaos, and they're all treatable.

And women don't have to suffer if you understand what to look at, and what to test for, and what to diagnose. And that's really why we we created Functional Health to empower women and everybody to be able to access their data and figure out what's going on.

Halle Berry
And that's the beauty of function. I just did my function test. You guys sent someone in my house. I swear they took every ounce of blood out of my body. She said, I'm gonna take 17 vials of blood.

I said, excuse me? What?

Dr. Mark Hyman
You wanna know everything.

Halle Berry
She said, yeah. That's what I'm doing. But you know what? Thank God she did because I learned so much. I got back such a comprehensive report and some things I think I already knew and some things I learned, and it was really eye opening.

And what women can do, if they can get their function report, they can bring it over to us at ReSpin, and we can help them. Function can help them make sense of what that means too. But Yeah. We at ReSpin can hold their hand to make sure they follow through with all of these protocols that can actually change their life and help them understand it. Because some of us need to ask the same question, like, 10 times before we get it, and we understand that at ReSpin.

You know? Some of it can be very confusing, and it can be daunting, and you really need someone to sit with you and break it down until you finally understand it.

Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, can can you talk, Kelly, about what are those lifestyle factors and things that women experience that cause hormones to go wacky? It it it often feels like it's happening randomly to you, but it it's not. It's the effect of everything washing over your biology, everything you eat, all those things. Can you kinda break that down for us and what you're learning about the things that are actually causing hormonal dysregulation? It's not just about giving hormone replacement therapy.

It's about addressing the whole package.

Halle Berry
Yeah. You need so much I mean, I've been on hormones now for almost four years, and I can say that took me about 50 or 60% of the way. It's certainly in the beginning, you know, helped me sleep a little bit better. I was a little less moody. I could remember things a little bit more, but it didn't just do the trick either.

I had to realize that, like you said, the hormones only were as effective as my body was healthy. Right? So I had to change the the way I ate. Being a type two diabetic, I used to be very much on the ketogenic diet, and I learned that at this time of my life, that was no longer working for me. I needed a little carbs.

I needed to eat more fiber. I needed to have more protein. I used to I've worked out my whole life. I was a gymnast as a kid. I couldn't do as much cardio.

I didn't need as much cardio as I used to need to do. I now needed to lift heavy, heavy weights, and I never did that before. You know? That that was not something that I felt I needed. And now I had to change all that about how I was operating my everyday life.

So I realized that this new body was the better version of myself. We often think, oh, we're getting older, and we're sort of downgrading, but we're not downgrading. When we know the things to do, we're upgrading. We're spiraling into the best version of ourselves. Right?

We just have to know how to support this new body, this new place we find ourselves. And it's not a sickness. It's a natural life transition that just has to be supported by evidence based therapies and information.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And it's also things like alcohol and nicotine. Yeah. Bring it up. You it's also things like alcohol and nicotine and caffeine that also can cause problems.

So you've got a pain stop drinking alcohol.

Halle Berry
Yeah. That was a really hard one.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Well, alcohol really screws up estrogen. In fact, one glass of wine or alcohol a day increases the one's risk of breast cancer by forty percent. Why? Because it interrupts estrogen metabolism in the liver.

It increases estrogen levels. You literally can see rising estrogen levels, and high estrogen can cause all these problems.

Halle Berry
So And your sleep. Yeah. Sleep. It can really mess with your sleep. We often think I'll have a nice glass of wine and go to sleep.

It'll put you to sleep, but it's gonna wake you up at 3AM. Yeah. Exactly. So it's not worth it.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And so there's so many things that that are involved in sort of understanding how to optimize your health. And there's also, you know, the risk of diseases. And I think, you know, the things like short term symptoms are important. But when we're talking about longevity, and we're talking about having a healthy lifespan, and living to a 100 healthy years, it's it's more than just, you know, getting rid of hot flashes or improving your sleep or vaginal dryness.

It's it's those same things that you're include your risk of Alzheimer's and osteoporosis, which are and Alzheimer's is you know, affects women far greater rate than men. So can you talk a little bit about the benefits there?

Halle Berry
And here's yes. And here's something I learned too that also blew my mind. We have hot flashes. That's part of it. And so many people have said, well, it's just hot flash.

Just deal with it. Like, get a fan and carry it around with you. Like, what's the problem? Well, it's more than a hot flash, first of all, because every time you have a hot flash, there, ramifications to your brain. Right?

And what I learned with doctor Mackie, who's also one of our our our doctors over at ReSpin, is that every time you have a hot flash, you don't actually know you have a hot flash. Sometimes you healed feel the hot flashes, but sometimes we don't. And doctor Mackie was doing a study out of, out of Chicago, and she would hook woman women up to a machine, and she's able to measure how many hot flashes they have. This one woman that she was studying while I was there with her, this woman thought she had high five hot flashes, but in fact, she had 50 hot flashes in a twenty four hour period. And every time you have a hot flash, there's adverse effects to your brain.

Right? And so it's not just getting rid of hot flashes so we're we don't feel physical discomfort. It's really trying to minimize the hot flashes to protect our brain. And when I realized that it was hot flashes are not just hot flashes, then I really started to realize, oh, this is really serious. And and I never let anybody tell me anymore.

It's just a hot flash. Like, you know, just deal with it. No. It's it's it's not as simple as that.

Dr. Mark Hyman
And, you know, one of the things that we now understand is that there's a therapeutic window right after menopause that's important to start hormone replacement therapy, or we can call it hormone optimization therapy if you wanna prevent Alzheimer's. So if you start when you're 65, it may not actually have the benefit. And the same thing with your bones. Your bones you start to lose your bones, you know, even in your forties and and earlier, and that needs also a long term support with hormone therapy.

Halle Berry
And if you don't protect your bones, we all know when you have an accident, you break a bone in your fifties and sixties, it can be lights out. Many women within a year of that are no longer here.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Fifty percent of women who or anyone who breaks their hip are dead in a year.

Halle Berry
Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman
It's worse than getting a terminal cancer diagnosis. So and that's a 100% preventable through strength training, through proper diet, through support with hormones. And, you know, let's talk a little bit about testosterone because that's a male hormone. So what are women doing taking testosterone? Are they gonna grow mustaches?

Halle Berry
And Well, that's what I thought

Dr. Mark Hyman
the deal.

Halle Berry
When I first heard. You should take a little bit of testosterone. Like, I don't need hair on my chest. No. I'm not gonna do that.

But, you know, that's the ignorance talking. Right? We I I didn't know. I did my research, and now I'm on a little bit of testosterone. And I'm telling you, it changed everything.

I got my libido back, and I also got my drive back. There was a certain period of time when I felt very depressed, and I didn't even wanna get out of bed. And I thought, oh, I don't wanna go to work. I'm done with all of this. But when I started taking a little bit of testosterone with my estrogen and my progesterone, I got my drive back.

I got my there there back. Yeah. Right? And it's really been transformative.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And the only way to know what's going on is you've gotta test. You've gotta measure what's going on. Because some women are fine, some women are not. And, you know, I found as a doctor practicing in this whole age group, you know, you wanna be careful not to overload a woman with too much testosterone because it can have adverse effects.

And so you have to be careful. And there there's dozens of preparations for men out there that are, you know, FDA approved, that are prescriptions, that are formulated, that are regulated. There's almost none for women. And so, you know, as a doctor, I had to kind of figure out how to use compounding pharmacies and create the right formulas. And, you know, one of the things I came upon was using clitoral testosterone drops that you apply two drops every night, and it has profound benefits.

And I know this because women keep calling for refills.

Halle Berry
Wait. Now what is this?

Dr. Mark Hyman
Okay. We can talk after.

Halle Berry
I know about these literal drops.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. They're it's amazing. So, like, you don't have to have the full systemic effect. Because this the the key to hormone replacement therapy is it's gotta be personalized. It's it's not like a one size fits all.

There's there's creams. There's drops. There's there's lozenges. There's there's all sorts of ways to deliver this, but it should be in the lowest dose possible to get the benefit. It should be topically, ideally, not orally.

And it should be, you know, the right amount of time for what a woman needs. And sometimes it's it's long term, but it's really something that has to be personalized. And, again, most physicians have no clue how to do this. And it's not like you can just look up in your drug prescription book and see how to prescribe this because it doesn't exist in there. So you can look how to prescribe Premin or Provera, but not not these formulations.

So it's a really interesting learning curve as a physician to try to understand this.

Halle Berry
And you know what else I think is important to talk about when we think about our sexual health, not only things like these Cleral Drops? But I think as women, we have to start talking to our partners about it. Yeah. Absolutely. How we destigmatize it, and we make it less taboo.

We can take all the drops and take all the, you know, vaginal estrogen we want, and we can use all the lubes we want, but we have to start talking because fifty percent of marriages end at this time of life. Right? Because women, our vaginas just dry up, and men go get a young, hot 25 year old, get a red car, and they go on with their life. And we're stuck there just be you know, getting old. So we have to talk about it.

We have to have the courage to say to our partner, I'm in menopause or perimenopause, and this is what is happening to my body. And I found that when we talk to our partners, talk to men about it, they're very receptive. You know, they're embarrassed at first. They don't wanna talk about it. But when we force them to, I think men are right there.

They're right there, and they feel relieved that you're talking with them. They feel relieved. They're understanding that there's not a breakdown in their marriage, but that you are just going through something that will pass, and you can go through it together. You don't have to go through this all by yourself, ladies. We have to start the conversation with them.

Dr. Mark Hyman
So, you know, because of, you know, your personal experience, and this is usually how great things start in the world is somebody has a problem, and they wanna solve it. And this is what happened to you, and you started to respin. So can you give us the reader's digest version of what is respin and how members of the audience can actually join. And

Halle Berry
It is hands down my second life passion. I am determined before I leave this planet to do everything I can to change the life for women, especially in in midlife. And why? Because we deserve it. And at ReSpin, we've got, like he said earlier, we've got expert doctors that are experts in our menopausal bodies.

We've got access to the latest in science. We've got coaches that will hold your hand, walk you through your function, studies that you get, help you be accountable to your optimal good health. We've got a beautiful community of women that are there to also laugh with you, cry with you, hold you up, hold you down. It's a three sixty approach to wellness because we know and if you want hormones, we have a clinic that can also get you on hormones, help you dose those hormones, help you regulate. It's it it's if if we get this right for me before I leave this planet, it will be a menopause one stop shop where women can come to a trusted place where they know that we've got you.

And I'm learning every day. That's why I'm at this conference. I mean, I'm learning every day. I've been shot up with so many peptides here since I've been here. Ozones up my nose and, like, all these things, and I'm all about trying to figure out how I can live my longest and healthiest life.

Dr. Mark Hyman
And thank you for creating Respent, which really gives women hope in a time that often can be very hopeless and very discouraging and very depressing. I mean, you you know, showed you were having suicidal thoughts. So what's a moment of hope or a word of hope you can give to women listening who, are in this position in your life, and and how do they have agency and take control?

Halle Berry
Well, I'll tell you one good way we can have agency. Besides all the things you've heard us say today, I have this belief that in order for us as women to really start taking care of our health and feeling good about that, we have to change culture. We have to change the way we feel about ourselves at this time, and we have to do this, ladies. You know, so many of us have we've had the Kool Aid too. We have to change our ticker tape.

We have to have agency over this time of our life, and we have to force, and I do say this, force our family to celebrate us. Just like we have now understand that we celebrate our children with their bar mitzvahs and their bat mitzvahs. We have 16 birthdays. We have baby showers and wedding showers, like, you know, bachelorette parties. We celebrate these milestone times in our life.

I think as women, we have to start being celebrated when we are in the menopause with a shiesta.

Dr. Mark Hyman
A shiesta.

Halle Berry
A shiesta. Because we deserve it. Right? We are we are deserving of being celebrated. Right?

We are the matriarchs of our family. We are the wisest ones in our family, I'm gonna have to tell you. And in other cultures, we are revered at this time of life. In our country, not so much anymore, and we have to change that. And I think a good way to change that is we make our families give us a shiesta and celebrate us and all that we are.

It's one good thing we can start doing.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Amazing. So it's shiesta time in America. Let's go.

Halle Berry
Shiesta.

Dr. Mark Hyman
So, now we have a little bit of time for q and a. Oh, go ahead over here.

Speaker 3
What do you think about adding into the metrics is low toxing the the the food in your home, the air quality, the products that you're using to add extra support on top of that as another layer?

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. You wanna take it? You want me to? I think this is such an important question. And we didn't have time to touch on it, but it's a huge issue, which is industrial petrochemicals, which are in everything from makeup to household cleaners to skincare products Three.

Yeah. To our food, to pesticides, are what we call xenoestrogens. They're foreign estrogens, and they're highly bioactive. And they're not just additive. They're synergistic.

So one plus one doesn't equal two. It equals a thousand. And this is why we're seeing such increasing rates of breast cancer and uterine cancer and and ovarian cancer. And I I think it's not really well appreciated, but it's a huge issue. And I think learning how to detox your life is so important.

That's why I'm in the board of the environmental working group, and it's a great resource, ewg.org. It's a nonprofit that actually investigates all the products that are used in our household products, our skincare products, and our cleaning products, and our food, and everything. And how do we reduce that burden? And and it can be by, you know, just simple things like watching which food you should eat organically, and filtering your water, and having air filter in your house, and using skincare products that are nontoxic, and using household cleaning products that are nontoxic. It it it you don't have to be doing everything overnight, but it's important to start to do that and just start to shift the products you're using so that you're not adding to the load because the the the they're really a big factor.

And then there's a whole process of biological detoxification, which is a big part of functional medicine. So I could talk about that for hours, but we got only got a few minutes. So I encourage you to check that out, but it's it's it's a very important question. Thank you for bringing that up.

Speaker 4
I was wondering if you, considered, a part of, us women going through life which is energetic, it has to do with dissociation. Whether this is something that is being included in the consideration of, taking women back to

Dr. Mark Hyman
You mean, like, psychospiritual integration? Is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 4
To me, it's, energetic structural. It's not the psycho spiritual. It's kind of

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. I mean, sure. I mean, it's it's all part of it. Energy medicine and all that is is part of realigning yourself with, you know, nature and your life in a way that helps align your biology. And I think there's a lot of data on that, but it's it's a little woo woo, but it I think there's a lot of reality to it.

Speaker 5
My question, very simply, how common is it to miss to to to not have the symptoms, to miss the the premenopause, the the everything we're talking about here. Is it genetic? Is it is it is there lot people that miss it a percentage?

Halle Berry
I think that's a good question. That's why we need more research and more studies to really find that out. But I know that there are people that have said to me, I have had no symptoms of menopause. But that's when I go back and I say to them, you might be having hot flashes that are causing adverse effects to your brain, but you just don't feel it. And I think there are many symptoms of menopause that people don't associate yet with menopause because we're still uncovering what those symptoms actually are.

Right? So some women do say they don't suffer very much, and they say they sail through it. But I'm not so sure that they haven't had some symptoms that have caused them some adverse effects. So that's why more research is, I think, very, very necessary to keep understanding what our symptoms and, you know, what what we are suffering from that we don't even know.

Dr. Mark Hyman
That's true. And I also think you're right. I mean, there's a wide variety of experiences that women have. Some women have very minimal symptoms or no symptoms. Some women have a lot of symptoms, and and it it can be partly genetic.

It can be environmental, but also it's it's lifestyle. It's one of the biggest drivers. And Japan don't even have a word for hot flashes.

Halle Berry
Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman
You know? And it's it's because, you know, diet's full of soy and and fermented foods and other things that change hormones. So your hormones just food is medicine. So your hormones are regulated by what you're eating Yeah. By stress, by environmental toxins, by your gut microbiome, by the level of activity you have, by your sleep patterns, by your circadian rhythms, and I could go on and on.

So so we know how to modify those those systems in the body and create optimal health. There is a transition, and things do happen, and there are symptoms that can happen over time, But it but they they can be minimal for many women.

Halle Berry
Yeah. And, also, black and brown women suffer exponentially more.

Dr. Mark Hyman
A lot more. Yeah.

Halle Berry
And I would want I'm curious to know why that is. We need more resources.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Question is important because, you know, in America, in the nineteen sixties, African American populations were far healthier than white populations. And I remember watching this documentary about Aretha Franklin, Amazing Grace, and you look in the church in Oakland, there wasn't a single overweight African American in that movie. And and then what happened was that they got targeted by the food industry in a very malicious and deliberate way, and they then consumed far more soda, far more junk food, far more processed food. And and that's why they have now far higher rates of diabetes, kidney failure, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, early death, mortality, morbidity. Why?

They were thirty percent of the population in New Orleans and Chicago, where we're seventy percent of the COVID deaths. That's why. Because it it's not it's not some genetic abnormality. It's because of our our our embedded I would I I call it the kind of food racism.

Halle Berry
Where do you see medical schools in America updating curriculum to include menopause and other things that we have seen here this weekend? Well, I know that I've been to Washington several times now to pass a bill, a a 200 and, $65,000,000 bill that will do just that. It will arm schools with the funding so that doctors can go back and be re retooled and that more programs can be implemented in schools. And I think we are starting that slowly as we keep having this conversation and we keep talking about menopause and bringing it to the forefront. I think it's putting a lot of pressure on institutions to, you know, further education.

Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. I think that's really important. And I'm also involved in medical education reform in Washington right now, which is finding ways to use our existing laws to mandate medical schools and postgraduate medical education programs, residencies, and fellowships to include mandatory nutrition education, change our licensing exams. Because unless those change, nothing will change.

Speaker 5
Can you also speak about sexual health and how JoyLux came to be?

Halle Berry
JoyLux. Yes. Because that that was my entry into realizing that I was in perimenopause. And, I was trying to, you know, fix my own problem, and I came across JoyLux and their red light therapy device, which is a vaginal device that sort of helps build collagen, moisture, and you know? And that worked for me.

So I reached out to the head of the company, and I said, hey. What is this company? This actually moved my needle. What is this? And so she allowed me to get involved.

And the next product I needed was some sort of lubrication product. So I teamed up with them, and we came up with this, I think, a beautiful product called Let's Spin. It's clean. It's hyaluronic acid aloe vera. It's not sticky.

It's, you know, it's, if you are very sensitive in that area, it's clean for you. So, that's been a beautiful partnership, and we're working on other products.

Speaker 5
Thank you so much. Yeah.

Speaker 6
Hi, Mark. Talia from Beyond Ibogaine. He just came from us. Just wanna talk about psychedelics and the mind body connection, where where this is heading in wellness in general.

Dr. Mark Hyman
I've spoken about this a few times at the conference, but I think we're in a twin psychiatric revolution. Mental health is a massive crisis. Diabetes, you know, causes more hospitalizations and and deaths, but mental health causes far more loss of what we call quality of life years and more disability and more dysfunction and more disruption in families and work and social life. And it it it it's incredibly poorly dealt with in America and across the globe. And the twin psychiatric revolutions are metabolic and nutritional psychiatry, functional medicine psychiatry, and psychedelic psychiatry.

And Rick Doblin was here, and there was a talk today on Ibogaine. And I think these are gonna unlock a lot of things that deal with both the biology of what causes mental health issues, which is often from the body. Right? I mean, you were depressed, Hallie, not because you were inherently depressed because your hormones were out of whack. It was biological.

You have to treat the body in order to treat the brain. And I wrote a book about this fifteen years ago called The Ultramind Solution, How to Fix Your Broken Brain by Fixing Your Body First. So that's really important, and that's what's happening right now across the science the science world. At Stanford, Harvard, there's departments of metabolic nutritional psychiatry. In terms of psychedelic psychiatry, that's also advancing, which deals with a lot of our deep wounds and traumas and the operating systems that get installed when we're kids that drive our life and cause us to be, you know, seven year olds or 10 year olds in relationships that really disrupt our life.

Whether it's relationships with ourself or with our partners or with work or with friends or or our families, those those are really hard things to change. And I think psychedelic medicine is is a powerful tool to help unlock that source code that it drives a lot of our lives and can free us from the burden of those things we carry around from us with us for for our lifetime. So I think those twin revolutions are really emerging rapidly. And I think hopefully, within the next five to ten years, they're going to become more mainstream and more accessible and more paid for by health care and insurance.

Speaker 7
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